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Thomas Fidler

(born 6 Sep 1835 Tinkfield, Wiltshire died 24 Nov 1861)

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Maternal grandmother: Anna Maria Beard (born 26 Jun 1763 Potterne, Wiltshire died 30 Sep 1840 Stert, Wiltshire)   View NotesHide notes  

Parents possibly Stephen Flower and Mary Beard. Birth place/date uncertain. Details from IGI.

married 3 Oct 1784

Maternal grandfather: William Hobbs (born 1 Feb 1761 Stert, Wiltshire died 1 Feb 1836 Stert, Wiltshire) (born Stert, Wiltshire died Stert, Wiltshire)   View NotesHide notes  

Marriage source: Ancestry.com. Wiltshire, England, Extracted Parish Records. Also IGI, birth, marriage, death.

 

Paternal grandmother: Margery Drewett (born 1768 Patney died 1810 )   View NotesHide notes  

See Allcannings and Etchilhampton Parish Registers online at www.archive.org

married 6 Oct 1786 Etchilhampton

Paternal grandfather: Edward Fidler (born abt 1765 )   View NotesHide notes  

Unfortunately, baptism records were lost for the time of Edward’s birth in Etchilhampton - see attached image. So we may never know his parents for definite. They could have been William Fidler and Betty Brown, married in 1756 and at least one child Betty who died in 1759.

 

Mother: Mary Hobbs (born 1802 Stert, Wiltshire)   View NotesHide notes  

In 1851 she was visitor to William Deverall and his wife Mary in Rowde, Wiltshire. There is record of William Deverall marrying a Mary Fidler 19th Dec 1840 Etchilhampton, his father John hers James - see IGI. However, this Mary was born Fisherton and haven’t been able to establish relationship with our Fidlers 

married 11 Feb 1823 Stert, Wiltshire

Father Thomas Fidler (born 1795 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire died 1 Jun 1874 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire)   View NotesHide notes  

Was a coal merchant. Died at Turners Hill, Cheshunt, leaving £800 according to probate record attached.


Sister: Elizabeth Fidler (born 1823 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire )  

Sister: Mary Anne Fidler (born 1824 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire )  

Sister: Sarah Fidler (born 1828 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire )  

Brother: George Fidler (born 1830 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire )  

Sister: Jane Fidler (born 1831 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire died 1919 Wandsworth, Surrey)  

Sister: Eliza Fidler (born 1833 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire )  

Husband: Stephen Brownsea (born 1829 Dorset )  


Partner: Elizabeth Cross (born 1839 Essex died 1888 Edmonton, Middlesex)   View NotesHide notes  

Daughter Sarah Fidler born out of wedlock, father Thomas Fidler (who died around the same time). She married Richard William Bray in 1867, Shoreditch. He died in 1869, aged 29 in Edmonton.


Daughter: Sarah Fidler (born 26.4.1862 Birmingham, Warwickshire died 17.2.1952 Enfield, Middlesex) 3 children  

Husband: Alfred Robert Webb (born 18.5.1861 Cripplegate, London died 28.5.1948 Edmonton, Middlesex)  

Daughter: Myra Elizabeth Webb (born 1889 Enfield, Middlesex )  

Daughter: Ethel Carrie Webb (born 7.10.1894 Enfield, Middlesex died 10.1971 )   View NotesHide notes  

Ethel “was brought up in the Plymouth Brethren and was a Sunday School teacher before going to university. She graduated with 1st Class Honours in French at Somerville College, Oxford, in 1916. While on a travelling scholarship to Paris she met Don at the "Rue de Sevres Meeting" in January 1920 and they were married in September 1922. We have been told that Don first spotted Ethel on a bus in Paris and was so attracted by her that he followed the bus on his own bicycle. In 1924 they had their house Noonsun, 25, Churchfields, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, built to their own designs. Here their three children, Eirene, Rosalind and Peter were born. Ethel later obtained her Oxford M.A. and was an active academic all her life, mainly at the London University Institute of Education and as G.C.E. Chief Examiner. One person who has particularly made a point of telling me that he studied under her at the Institute is Mr. Southey, organiser of the Spring and Autumn concert seasons at Deal. Her nickname at the Institute of Education was Prudence, and her character in later life probably reflected the influence of the Plymouth Brethren in her childhood. Like her husband, she was an ardent pacifist.”

Frank Middlemiss’s online notes

Son: Frederick Ernest Webb (born 1896 Enfield, Middlesex died 10.6.1918 Died in war)   View NotesHide notes  

 

Enlisted: Westminster

Residence: Enfield

Rank: Corporal

Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers

Number: 113094

Theatre of war: Western European Theatre

Died: 10th June 1918

cause: Died of wounds

Comments: "F" SPEC. COY., R.E.

Source: Ancestry quoting Military-Genealogy.com

 

Fred’s last letter transcript (he died two days later):

8/6/18

Dear Ethel,

For twenty four hours political discussion and conjecture was the universal diversion here and then ceased as suddenly as it began. The immediate cause of its rise was the distribution of printed cards for the sequestration of “the mugs” under the Representation of the People Act (which will next October at the latest be instrumental in supersceding the Repression of the People act — otherwise DORA — [Defence of the Realm Act] by something more sane). The discussion which ensued was amusing for political ideas are rather like army jam at present — mixed. And it is to be hoped that those men of influence who do not hold highly salaried positions in the present government or are not so sychophantic as to sacrifice their nationality to their purses will see that the election is held on social and humanitarian issues instead of political. If it is political it will be a [farce?]. If the issue is for Knock out Blow or negotiations the

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war will not drag on its detested existence to mock and desecrate another Christmas.

However, from May to October is a long cry, and many things may happen between. In fact the papers hint at startling events at the present moment, more “victories” apparently only Fritz doesn't regard them in that light.

The weather has threatened to break again, but today has been sunny though fresh and of course we have been for our daily swim. We usually have one a day when we are down here unless the weather is unusually cold, and if it is decently warm the one becomes two or three. After all the salt water of last year I find swimming in fresh is quite difficult, though of course there are no waves to contend with.

The writer of “Two years before the mast” [Richard Henry Dana, Jr., 1840] (which I have been reading) continues to make you quite interested in the intricacies of a sailing ship and the problems of sea trade and transport before the era of the steamboat and steam labour saving machinery.

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Have you noticed how mainly the ideals of different writers — and of the same writer — are at varience concerning the best way of arranging if not a perfect, at least a more sane and stable system of life than has been evolved in the last half century? They drift towards the opposite poles of single self-sufficing existence on a basis of 40% of agriculture and a revival of farmhouse industries, and of highly complex civilisation in which manual labour in its unskilled sense has no place and old [??????] work is done mechanically. I think that H. G. Wells was right when he wrote (in the War in the Air)[see book as html ] that the only solution was entirely to destroy the existing [status?] — or rather give it room & time to compass its own destruction and allow a new system to evolve itself. And in our country at least this has happened & we don’t know how soon it will happen in others.

Well tea is just up so I suppose I had better leave off.

Quite well.

With best love.

Fred.

 


Thomas Fidler Notes:

Thomas Fidler can be seen with his father in 1851 census, and was shown as born in Tinkfield, Wiltshire. Tinkfield appears to be a small area in Etchilhampton. See http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=102781

Died of typhoid fever while living at Water Lane, Cheshunt according to his death certificate



Fidler baptisms
1788-97, 1905 Transcription, online at archive....
Myra, Arthur
and Peggy according to Rosalind Hammond. Which cas...
French grave
records for Frederick Webb
French WW1
grave record for Frederick Webb
Pernes British
Cemetery record for Frederick Webb
Pernes Cemetery
record for Frederick Webb
Ethel C
Webb’s scholarship, that led to her meeting Donald Be...
Ethel Webb’s
1913 scholarship to study French at Oxford Somer...
Ethel Webb
attended Totteridge Road Sunday School in Edwardian ...
Totteridge Road
Baptist Chapel, where Ethel Webb attended Sunda...
It is believed
Ethel Webb attended Tottenham County School whic...
P2: Alfred
Robert Webb and wife Sarah née Fidler, Frederick We...
P3: Sarah
(Fidler) Webb in garden at 18 Allendale Road, Enfield
P4-5: Sarah
Webb, Alfred Robert Webb in Enfield, Donald Bearman...
p26: Grandpa
Alfred Webb and group; Ethel Bearman, Ros and ?; E...
P27: Pippa
Bearman & Rachel, Marianne Rankin, Myra & Peggy Huxl...
The grave of
Alfred and Sarah Webb in Hertford Road Cemetery, E...
The Bearmans,
presumably at Noonsun in the late 1940s
Thomas Fidler,
coal merchant, probate 1874
The Webb family
in Edwardian times: Alfred and wife Sarah, Ethe...
Fidler
baptisms, John, Sarah and probably Mary 1800, 03 and 05 ...
Edward and
Margery’s marriage was recorded in both Etchil...
Edward
Fidler’s baptism record has probably been lost. Al...
Envelope of
Fred’s last letter to Ethel
Frederick
Webb’s last letter, to Ethel (page 1). Dated 2nd Ju...
Frederick
Webb’s last letter, to Ethel (page 2). Dated 2nd Ju...
Frederick
Webb’s last letter, to Ethel (page 3). Dated 2nd Ju...
Donald and
Ethel Bearman’s Ruby Anniversary, 29 September 196...
Ethel Bearman
(neé Webb) with Jonathan Bearman, around 1965 ne...
Myra Webb circa
1910
Donald and
Ethel Bearman’s Ruby Wedding, 29 September 1962
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Present day Map with below census address/es in red

Census records:

1841 Stebbing Barn End, Stebbing, Essex
  
Cross Stephen M 45 1796 Bricklayer Essex 441
Cross Sarah F 45 1796 Essex 442
Cross Sarah F 25 1816 Essex 443
Cross Ann F 20 1821 Essex 444
Cross Henry M 15 1826 Essex 445
Cross Mary Ann F 8 1833 Essex 446
Cross Walter M 5 1836 Essex 447
Cross Elizabeth F 2 1839 Essex 448
Cross Joseph M 80 1761 Essex 449

1851 9, Stepney Rents, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex
  
Fidler Thomas Head Married M 52 1799 Corn Dealer Wolverhampton, Wiltshire 497
Fidler Thomas Son M 15 1836 Tinkfield, Wiltshire 500

1851 Marsh Lane, Rowde, Wiltshire
  
Deverall William Head Married M 41 1810 Blacksmith Rowde, Wiltshire
Deverall Mary Wife Married F 39 1812 Fisherton, Wiltshire
Deverall John Nephew M 14 1837 Blacksmith Ap Rowde, Wiltshire
Fidler Mary Visitor Married F 42 1809 Farmer's Wife Stert, Wiltshire 498
Fidler Sarah Visitor Unmarried F 23 1828 Farmer's Daur Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 512
Fidler Jane Visitor Unmarried F 20 1831 Farmer's Daur Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 513
Fidler Eliza Visitor Unmarried F 18 1833 Farmer's Daur Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 514

1861 King Street, Stroud, Gloucestershire
  
Clarke Thomas Head Married M 51 1810 Draper , Bisley, Gloucestershire
Clarke Elizth Wife Married F 49 1812 Drapers Wife , Bisley, Gloucestershire
Clarke Elizabeth H Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844 Stroud, Gloucestershire
Clarke Julia Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Stroud, Gloucestershire
Sage John E Partner Unmarried M 25 1836 Draper , Bristol, Gloucestershire
Fidler Jane Assistant Unmarried F 30 1831 Draper , ..., Wiltshire 513
King Hannah Servant Unmarried F 30 1831 Cook , Stroud, Gloucestershire
Thomson Mary Servant Unmarried F 23 1838 House Maid , Stroud, Gloucestershire

1861 Summer Hill East Side, Cheshunt, Middlesex
  
Cross Sarah Head Widow F 64 1797 Ealing, Essex 442
Cross Walter Son Married M 25 1836 Brick Layer & Plasterer Stebbing, Essex 447
Cross Matilda Son Wife Married F 25 1836 St Pancras, Middlesex 460
Cross Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Dressmaker Stebbing, Essex 448
Cross Richard Grandson M 3 1858 St Pancras, Middlesex 482
Cross Emma Sarah Granddaughter F 1 1860 St Pancras, Middlesex 461

1861 Water Lane, Cheshunt, Middlesex
  
Fidler Thomas Head Married M 66 1795 Coal Merchant Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 497
Fidler Mary Wife Married F 61 1800 ..., Wiltshire 498
Fidler George Son Unmarried M 31 1830 Fitter And Painter Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 499

1871 College Road, Cheshunt, Middlesex
  
Fidler Thomas Head M 74 1797 Coal Merchant (employs 2 men) Wiltshire, Ethelhampton 497
Fidler Mary Wife F 69 1802 Wiltshire, Stert 498
Browsea Stephen Son-In-Law M 42 1829 Assistant to above Dorset, Shroton ? 1511
Browsea Eliza Daughter F 37 1834 Wiltshire, Ethilhampton 514

1871 Enfield Highway, Enfield, Middlesex
  
Bray Elizabeth Head Widow F 31 1840 Dressmaker Essex, Stebbing 448
Bray Sarah Daughter F 9 1862 Scholar Birmingham 35
Foster Henry Visitor M 6 1865 Essex, Waltham ??
Foster Bertha Visitor F 5 1866 Essex, Waltham ??

1871 Green Street, Enfield, Middlesex
  
Webb Frederick Head M 46 1825 Toolmaker Finsbury, Middlesex 180
Webb Mary Wife F 46 1825 Norwood, Surrey 181
Webb Frederick Son M 16 1855 Machinist City of London 184
Webb Emily Daughter F 14 1857 Scholar City of London 185
Webb Ellen Daughter F 12 1859 Scholar City of London 186
Webb Alfred Son M 9 1862 Scholar City of London 34
Webb Caroline Daughter F 8 1863 Scholar Enfield, Middlesex 182
Webb William Son M 6 1865 Scholar Enfield, Middlesex 183

1871 Mount Square, Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex
  
Fidler George Head M 39 1832 Carman Wiltshire, Etchilhampton 499
Fidler Elizabeth Wife F 29 1842 Kent, Dartford
Fidler Edward Son M 15 1856 Errand Boy Middlesex, St Lukes
Fidler John Son M 9 1862 Scholar Middlesex, St Lukes
Fidler Jane Daughter F 5 1866 Scholar Middlesex, Bethnal Green
Fidler George Son M 1 1870 Middlesex, St Lukes
Ball Bridget Lodger F 44 1827 Ireland
Ball Mary Lodger F 22 1849 Middlesex
Ball Robert Lodger M 6 1865 Middlesex

1881 33, Medcalf Rd, Enfield, Middlesex
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Calvert William Head Married M 38 1843 Smith In Gun Fac R S A Durham, Durham 483
Calvert Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1841 Essex 448
Calvert Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1862 Enfield, Middlesex 35

1881 54, Medcalf Rd, Enfield, Middlesex
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Webb Frederick Head Married M 56 1825 Marine Engine Fitter Finsbury, Middlesex 180
Webb Mary Wife Married F 56 1825 Lambeth, Surrey 181
Webb Alfred Son Single M 19 1862 Gun Barrel Machinist In Fac London, Middlesex 34
Webb Caroline Daughter Single F 18 1863 Enfield, Middlesex 182
Webb William Son Single M 16 1865 Grocers Assistant Enfield, Middlesex 183

1881 7, Rowcroft, Stroud, Gloucestershire
  
Fidler Sarah Head Single F 53 1828 Berlin Wool & Ladies Outfitting (Gen Goods) Etchelhampton, Wiltshire 512
Fidler Jane Sister Single F 50 1831 Etchelhampton, Wiltshire 513

1881 Turners Hill, Cheshunt (Herts), Middlesex
  
Fidler Mary Head Widow F 79 1802 Coal Dealer , Devizes, Wiltshire 498
Brownsea Stephen Son In Law Married M 49 1832 Coal Dealer , Blanford, Dorset 1511
Brownsea Eliza Daughter Married F 44 1837 Devizes, Wiltshire 514
Rodway John Grand Son Single M 20 1861 Clerk War Department , Weston-S-Mare, Somerset 1513

1891 43, Medcalf Road, Enfield, Middlesex
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Webb Alfred R Head Married M 29 1862 Filer In Gun Trades London 34
Webb Sarah Wife Married F 28 1863 Birmingham 35
Webb Myra Daughter Single F 2 1889 Enfield, Middlesex 36
Kennan James E Boarder Single M 25 1866 Superintendent Of Gas Workers Ireland

1891 7, Rowcroft, Stroud, Gloucestershire
  
Fidler Sarah Head Single F 62 1829 Ladies Outfilter , Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 512
Fidler Jane Sister Single F 59 1832 Ladies Outfilter , Etchilhampton, Wiltshire 513

1901 Fernlea, Allandale Road, Enfield, Middlesex
  
Webb Alfred Head Married M 39 1862 Gun Sight Filer Cripplegate, London 34
Webb Sarah Wife Married F 38 1863 Birmingham, Warwickshire 35
Webb Myra Daughter F 12 1889 Enfield, Middlesex 36
Webb Ethel Daughter F 6 1895 Enfield, Middlesex 37
Webb Frederick Son M 4 1897 Enfield, Middlesex 38
Borell Ernest Boarder Single M 31 1870 Gardener (Not Domestic) Sweden (Swedish Subj)

1901 Rowcroft, Stroud, Chalford, Gloucestershire
  
Fidler Sarah Head Single F 73 1828 Shopkeeper Fancy Draper , Stert, Wiltshire 512
Fidler Jane Sister Single F 69 1832 Shopkeeper Fancy Draper , Stert, Wiltshire 513
Brownsen Eliza Widow F 67 1834 Shopkeeper Fancy Draper , Stert, Wiltshire 514

1911 10 Stafford Street Derby, Derbyshire
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Webb Myra Elizabeth Assistant Matron Single F 22 1889 Teacher Assistant, Derby Education Committee Middlesex Enfield Lock 36
Ward Dorothy Hilda Student Single F 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Nottinghamshire Nottingham
Turner Agnes Gertrude Student Single F 20 1891 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Barrow in Furness
Pimblett Elizabeth Student Single F 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Eccles
Jackson Annie Student Single M 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Salford
Kelly Eva Student Single F 20 1891 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Salford
Sowter Ethel Maud Student Single F 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Staffordshire Leek
Turner Kate Caroline Caretaker Widow F 38 1873 Working Caretkaer Warwickshire Birmingham

1911 18 Minchead Road Streatham Common, London
  
Rodway John Head Married M 50 1861 Civil Service-Staff Clerk Somerset Weston Super Mare 1513
Rodway Sarah Virginia Wife Married F 42 1869 United States Resident 1535
Rodway John Charles Son Single M 19 1892 Student Surrey Lambeth 1536
Rodway Arthur Rowland Son Single M 18 1893 Insurance Clerk Surrey Lambeth 1537
Rodway Janet Ruth Daughter Single F 15 1896 School Surrey Lambeth 1538
Rodway Alfred Cecil Son M 12 1899 School Surrey Lambeth 1539
Rodway Ernest Allan Son M 7 1904 Sussex Bexhill on Sea 1540
Rodway Margaret Virginia Daughter F 3 1908 Surrey Wandsworth 1541
Fidler Jane Aunt Single F 80 1831 Wiltshire Ashelton 513
Jones Kitty Lady Help Single F 28 1883 Lady Help Domestic Denbighshire Llangollen

1911 Fernlea, Allandale Road, Enfield Wash N, Middlesex
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Webb Alfred Robert Head Married M 49 1862 Viewer - Enfield Gun Factory London; Jewin Crescent 34
Webb Sarah Wife Married F 48 1863 Warwick; Birmingham 35
Webb Ethel Carrie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Middlesex; Enfield Lock 37
Webb Frederick Ernest Son M 14 1897 School Middlesex; Enfield Wash 38
Calvert Mary Elizabeth Boarder Single F 39 1872 Middlesex; Enfield Lock 485