Rose Emily Webb

(born 29 Oct 1856 St Giles Cripplegate)

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Maternal grandmother: Susannah Davies (born abt 1791 died 18 Mar 1851 Lambeth, Surrey)  

married 7 Dec 1818 Lambeth

Maternal grandfather: George Vertue (born 18 Jul 1797 St Mary Newington, Walworth, Surrey died 19 Feb 1874 Lambeth) (born St Mary Newington, Walworth, Surrey died Lambeth)   View NotesHide notes  

The Will with two Codicils of George Vertue formerly of High Street Norwood but late of East-street High Street Lower Norwood both in the county of Surrey who died 19 February 1874 ... by Mary Ann Vertue, widow and Samuel Clapham of Oxford Road Upper Norwood in the said County Gentleman theExecutors. Under £200

Maternal grandfather’s name Robert Wheeler, maternal grandmother’s name Dorcas.

Source Citation: Place: St. Mary Newington Walworth, Surrey, Eng; Collection: Dr. William's Library; Nonconformist Registers; Date Range: 1797 - 1797; Film Number: 813803.



Paternal grandmother: not known

Paternal grandfather: Robert Webb (born abt 1795 )   View NotesHide notes  

His parents may have been Robert Webb and Elizabeth Smith, married 12 December 1785 in St Leonard, Shoreditch (which strangely comes under Hackney, Surrey). This is a total guess, but it may explain the Smith in Mary Ann Smith Webb, born 1853.


Mother: Mary Vertue (born 1825 Lambeth, Surrey died 1922 Edmonton, Middlesex)  

married 9 Sep 1850 Kennington

Father Frederick Webb (born 1825 Finsbury, Middlesex died 1915 Edmonton, Middlesex)   View NotesHide notes  

Profession Mathematical Instrument Maker and residence Harleyford Street in 1850 according to Marriage Certificate

Sister: Mary Ann Smith Webb (born 1853 St Giles Cripplegate )   View NotesHide notes  

Not at all sure that the baptism record for Mary Ann Smith Webb is her, but the parents match and occupation of father. Have not found Mary in 1911 census, but she was alive according to Frederick and Mary’s census return.

Brother: Frederick Alfred Webb (born 10.9.1854 City of London died 1931 Chelsea, London) 5 children  

Wife: Elizabeth Jane Davis (born 1853 City of London )  

Daughter: Emily Jane Webb (born 1877 Lambeth London )  

Daughter: Rose Ellen Webb (born 1879 Lambeth, London )  

Son: Frederick Edwin Webb (born 1881 Lambeth, Surrey died 1882 St Geo. Han. Sq.)  

Daughter: Annie Bertha Webb (born 1887 Pimlico London )  

Daughter: Edith Webb (born 1890 Pimlico London )  

Sister: Ellen Susannah Webb (born 16.5.1858 St Giles Cripplegate ) 3 children  

Husband: Andrew Robin (born 1862 Waltham Abbey, Essex )  

Daughter: Ellen Eliza Emily Robin (born 1885 Holloway, London )  

Son: Andrew John Robin (born 1887 Enfield, Middlesex )  

Daughter: Elsie Mary Robin (born 1892 Enfield Lock, Middlesex )  

Brother: Alfred Robert Webb (born 18.5.1861 Cripplegate, London died 28.5.1948 Edmonton, Middlesex) 3 children  

Wife: Sarah Fidler (born 26.4.1862 Birmingham, Warwickshire died 17.2.1952 Enfield, Middlesex)  

Daughter: Myra Elizabeth Webb (born 1889 Enfield, Middlesex )  

Daughter: Ethel Carrie Webb (born 7.10.1894 Enfield, Middlesex died 10.1971 )   View NotesHide notes  

Ethel “was brought up in the Plymouth Brethren and was a Sunday School teacher before going to university. She graduated with 1st Class Honours in French at Somerville College, Oxford, in 1916. While on a travelling scholarship to Paris she met Don at the "Rue de Sevres Meeting" in January 1920 and they were married in September 1922. We have been told that Don first spotted Ethel on a bus in Paris and was so attracted by her that he followed the bus on his own bicycle. In 1924 they had their house Noonsun, 25, Churchfields, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, built to their own designs. Here their three children, Eirene, Rosalind and Peter were born. Ethel later obtained her Oxford M.A. and was an active academic all her life, mainly at the London University Institute of Education and as G.C.E. Chief Examiner. One person who has particularly made a point of telling me that he studied under her at the Institute is Mr. Southey, organiser of the Spring and Autumn concert seasons at Deal. Her nickname at the Institute of Education was Prudence, and her character in later life probably reflected the influence of the Plymouth Brethren in her childhood. Like her husband, she was an ardent pacifist.”

Frank Middlemiss’s online notes

Son: Frederick Ernest Webb (born 1896 Enfield, Middlesex died 10.6.1918 Died in war)   View NotesHide notes  


Enlisted: Westminster

Residence: Enfield

Rank: Corporal

Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers

Number: 113094

Theatre of war: Western European Theatre

Died: 10th June 1918

cause: Died of wounds

Comments: "F" SPEC. COY., R.E.

Source: Ancestry quoting


Fred’s last letter transcript (he died two days later):


Dear Ethel,

For twenty four hours political discussion and conjecture was the universal diversion here and then ceased as suddenly as it began. The immediate cause of its rise was the distribution of printed cards for the sequestration of “the mugs” under the Representation of the People Act (which will next October at the latest be instrumental in supersceding the Repression of the People act — otherwise DORA — [Defence of the Realm Act] by something more sane). The discussion which ensued was amusing for political ideas are rather like army jam at present — mixed. And it is to be hoped that those men of influence who do not hold highly salaried positions in the present government or are not so sychophantic as to sacrifice their nationality to their purses will see that the election is held on social and humanitarian issues instead of political. If it is political it will be a [farce?]. If the issue is for Knock out Blow or negotiations the

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war will not drag on its detested existence to mock and desecrate another Christmas.

However, from May to October is a long cry, and many things may happen between. In fact the papers hint at startling events at the present moment, more “victories” apparently only Fritz doesn't regard them in that light.

The weather has threatened to break again, but today has been sunny though fresh and of course we have been for our daily swim. We usually have one a day when we are down here unless the weather is unusually cold, and if it is decently warm the one becomes two or three. After all the salt water of last year I find swimming in fresh is quite difficult, though of course there are no waves to contend with.

The writer of “Two years before the mast” [Richard Henry Dana, Jr., 1840] (which I have been reading) continues to make you quite interested in the intricacies of a sailing ship and the problems of sea trade and transport before the era of the steamboat and steam labour saving machinery.

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Have you noticed how mainly the ideals of different writers — and of the same writer — are at varience concerning the best way of arranging if not a perfect, at least a more sane and stable system of life than has been evolved in the last half century? They drift towards the opposite poles of single self-sufficing existence on a basis of 40% of agriculture and a revival of farmhouse industries, and of highly complex civilisation in which manual labour in its unskilled sense has no place and old [??????] work is done mechanically. I think that H. G. Wells was right when he wrote (in the War in the Air)[see book as html ] that the only solution was entirely to destroy the existing [status?] — or rather give it room & time to compass its own destruction and allow a new system to evolve itself. And in our country at least this has happened & we don’t know how soon it will happen in others.

Well tea is just up so I suppose I had better leave off.

Quite well.

With best love.



Sister: Caroline Elizabeth Webb (born 1863 Enfield, Middlesex died 1935 Edmonton, Middlesex)  

Brother: William Ernest Webb (born 18.12.1864 Enfield, Middlesex died 1935 Lewisham)   View NotesHide notes  

Baptism record shows William’s birth date as 18 Dec 1862. However, freebmd and censuses show 1865 - I have taken the date as being correct but year to be 1864. For some reason his Christening was a long while after birth. But it would have been even stranger had he been born before his sister, but christened after.

Husband: William Bysh (born 1856 Willesden, Middlesex died 29.6.1933 Edmonton)   View NotesHide notes married 1878 Edmonton, London  

William Bysh of 11 Raynton-road Enfield, probate 21 July to Joseph Vickers gardener. Effects £599 1s 9d.

1852 marriage
of Mary Ann Fry to George Vertue
1853 baptism,
Mary Ann Smith Webb. There were two Mary Ann Webb...
Myra, Arthur
and Peggy according to Rosalind Hammond. Which cas...
French grave
records for Frederick Webb
French WW1
grave record for Frederick Webb
Pernes British
Cemetery record for Frederick Webb
Pernes Cemetery
record for Frederick Webb
Ethel C
Webb’s scholarship, that led to her meeting Donald Be...
Ethel Webb’s
1913 scholarship to study French at Oxford Somer...
Ethel Webb
attended Totteridge Road Sunday School in Edwardian ...
Totteridge Road
Baptist Chapel, where Ethel Webb attended Sunda...
It is believed
Ethel Webb attended Tottenham County School whic...
P2: Alfred
Robert Webb and wife Sarah née Fidler, Frederick We...
P3: Sarah
(Fidler) Webb in garden at 18 Allendale Road, Enfield
P4-5: Sarah
Webb, Alfred Robert Webb in Enfield, Donald Bearman...
p26: Grandpa
Alfred Webb and group; Ethel Bearman, Ros and ?; E...
P27: Pippa
Bearman & Rachel, Marianne Rankin, Myra & Peggy Huxl...
The grave of
Alfred and Sarah Webb in Hertford Road Cemetery, E...
The Bearmans,
presumably at Noonsun in the late 1940s
227 Stephendale
Road c. 2010. Frederick Webb and family lived h...
George Vertue
and Susannah Davies were married here in 1818. Th...
The Webb family
in Edwardian times: Alfred and wife Sarah, Ethe...
Mary Ann
Vertue, 1888 probate
Vertue’s last will and testament, dated 1853. He leave...
Could this be
the parents of Robert Webb b. abt. 1790? Marriage...
Could this be
christening record for Robert Webb, in 1803. Pare...
George Vertue
1874 probate
William Bysh
1933 probate
Envelope of
Fred’s last letter to Ethel
Webb’s last letter, to Ethel (page 1). Dated 2nd Ju...
Webb’s last letter, to Ethel (page 2). Dated 2nd Ju...
Webb’s last letter, to Ethel (page 3). Dated 2nd Ju...
Donald and
Ethel Bearman’s Ruby Anniversary, 29 September 196...
Ethel Bearman
(neé Webb) with Jonathan Bearman, around 1965 ne...
Myra Webb circa
Donald and
Ethel Bearman’s Ruby Wedding, 29 September 1962

Present day Map with below census address/es in red

Census records:

1841 Elder Road, Lambeth, St Luke Norwood, Surrey
Vertue George M 40 1801 Brazier Surrey 487
Vertue Susannah F 50 1791 490
Vertue George M 15 1826 Surrey 491
Vertue Elizabeth F 15 1826 Surrey 488
Vertue John M 14 1827 Surrey 492
Vertue William M 12 1829 Surrey 493

1841 Princes Road, Lambeth, Lambeth Church 2nd, Surrey
Welch Georgiana F 35 1806
Welch Amy F 4 1837 Surrey
Welch James M 2 1839 Surrey
Doader Charlotte Ann F 65 1776
Virtue Mary F 15 1826 ???? Surrey 181
Jones Sarah F 15 1826 Companion Surrey

1851 86, North Side, Great Suffolk Street, Saint George The Martyr, Southwark, Surrey
Webb Frederick Head Married M 26 1825 Journeyman Brass Finisher Finsbury, Middlesex 180
Webb Mary Wife Married F 27 1824 Norwood, Surrey 181

1851 High Street, St Marys Lambeth, Surrey
Vertue George Head Widower M 52 1799 Brazier Iron Monger Walworth, Surrey 487
Vertue Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 25 1826 Norwood, Surrey 488
Lawrance Mary A Visitor Unmarried F 18 1833 Norwood, Surrey

1861 24, Jewin Crescent, Cripplegate, London, London, Middlesex
Webb Mary Wife Married F 36 1825 Wife Of Engineer Norwood, Surrey 181
Webb Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 St Giles Cripplegate 187
Webb Frederick Son M 6 1855 Scholar St Giles Cripplegate 184
Webb Emily Daughter F 4 1857 St Giles Cripplegate 185
Webb Ellen Daughter F 2 1859 St Giles Cripplegate 186
Fessenger Rose A Boarder Unmarried F 40 1821 Ludgate Hill
Macsweeney Walter Lodger Unmarried M 23 1838 Traveller Cork, Ireland
Coupland James Lodger Unmarried M 21 1840 Clerk Manchester
Coupland William Lodger Unmarried M 24 1837 Clerk Manchester

1861 Castle Terrace, High Street, St Mary Lambeth, Norwood, London, Surrey
Virtue George Head Married M 63 1798 Brazier & Gasfitter Employ 2 Boys Walsworth, Surrey 487
Virtue Mary Ann Wife Married F 49 1812 Clifton, Gloucestershire 489
Gooding Louisa A Adopted Child F 0 1861 Clapham, Surrey 854

1871 East Place, St Mary Lambeth, London, Surrey
Virtue George Head M 73 1798 Retired Ironmonger Surrey 487
Virtue Mary A Wife F 59 1812 Somerset 489
Virtue Mary A Adopted F 10 1861 Surrey 854

1871 Enfield Highway, Enfield, Middlesex
Bray Elizabeth Head Widow F 31 1840 Dressmaker Essex, Stebbing 448
Bray Sarah Daughter F 9 1862 Scholar Birmingham 35
Foster Henry Visitor M 6 1865 Essex, Waltham ??
Foster Bertha Visitor F 5 1866 Essex, Waltham ??

1871 Green Street, Enfield, Middlesex
Webb Frederick Head M 46 1825 Toolmaker Finsbury, Middlesex 180
Webb Mary Wife F 46 1825 Norwood, Surrey 181
Webb Frederick Son M 16 1855 Machinist City of London 184
Webb Emily Daughter F 14 1857 Scholar City of London 185
Webb Ellen Daughter F 12 1859 Scholar City of London 186
Webb Alfred Son M 9 1862 Scholar City of London 34
Webb Caroline Daughter F 8 1863 Scholar Enfield, Middlesex 182
Webb William Son M 6 1865 Scholar Enfield, Middlesex 183

1881 19, Block Peabody Buildings, Lambeth, Surrey
Webb Frederick Alfred Head Married M 26 1855 Engine Fitter Out Of Employment , London City OF, Middlesex 184
Webb Elizabeth Jane Wife Married F 28 1853 London City OF, Middlesex 777
Webb Emily Jane Daughter Single F 4 1877 Lambeth, Surrey 778
Webb Annie Bertha Daughter Single F 3 1878 Lambeth, Surrey 779
Webb Rose Ellen Daughter Single F 1 1880 Lambeth, Surrey 783
Webb Frederick Edwin Son Single M 0 1881 Lambeth, Surrey 791
Davis Edwin Wife Father Married M 54 1827 Railway Porter , Chard, Somerset 785
Davis Martha Wife Mother Married F 64 1817 Bonnington, Kent 790

1881 33, Medcalf Rd, Enfield, Middlesex
Calvert William Head Married M 38 1843 Smith In Gun Fac R S A Durham, Durham 483
Calvert Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1841 Essex 448
Calvert Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1862 Enfield, Middlesex 35

1881 36, Lowman Rd, Islington, Middlesex
Bysh William Head Married M 25 1856 Grocer , Willesden, Middlesex 799
Bysh Rose Emily Wife Married F 24 1857 Lon, Middlesex 185
Fear Ann Lodger Single F 31 1850 Mourning Florist (Artif) , Lon, Middlesex
Dunt Hannah Lodger Single F 41 1840 Mourning Florist (Artif) , Norfolk
Nourse Mary Lodger Single F 40 1841 Mourning Florist (Artif) , Lon, Middlesex

1881 54, Medcalf Rd, Enfield, Middlesex
Webb Frederick Head Married M 56 1825 Marine Engine Fitter Finsbury, Middlesex 180
Webb Mary Wife Married F 56 1825 Lambeth, Surrey 181
Webb Alfred Son Single M 19 1862 Gun Barrel Machinist In Fac London, Middlesex 34
Webb Caroline Daughter Single F 18 1863 Enfield, Middlesex 182
Webb William Son Single M 16 1865 Grocers Assistant Enfield, Middlesex 183

1891 19, Government Row, Enfield, Middlesex
Robin Andrew Head Married M 29 1862 Steam Engine Maker Fitter , Waltham Abbey, Essex 800
Robin Ellen S Wife Married F 32 1859 City of London 186
Robin Ellen E E Daughter F 6 1885 Holloway, London 801
Robin Andrew J Son M 4 1887 Enfield, Middlesex 802
Fesemarfar Rose A Visitor Single F 78 1813 London

1891 33, Hanby Terrace, Enfield, Middlesex
Webb Frederic Head Married M 66 1825 Engineer Fitter London 180
Webb Mary Wife Married F 66 1825 Norwood, Surrey 181
Webb Mary Ann Daughter Single F 38 1853 Dress Maker London 187
Webb Caroline Daughter Single F 28 1863 Enfield 182
Webb William Son Single M 26 1865 Machinist Gun Trade Enfield 183

1891 43, Medcalf Road, Enfield, Middlesex
Webb Alfred R Head Married M 29 1862 Filer In Gun Trades London 34
Webb Sarah Wife Married F 28 1863 Birmingham 35
Webb Myra Daughter Single F 2 1889 Enfield, Middlesex 36
Kennan James E Boarder Single M 25 1866 Superintendent Of Gas Workers Ireland

1891 8b, Peabody Buildings, Chelsea Bridge, St George Hanover Square, London, London
Webb Frederick Head Married M 36 1855 Gas & Hot Water Fitter , Middlesex 184
Webb Jane Wife Married F 38 1853 Middlesex 777
Webb Emily Daughter F 14 1877 General Servant Domestic , Lambeth, London 778
Webb Rosie Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar , Lambeth, London 783
Webb Annie Daughter F 4 1887 Pimlico, London 779
Webb Edith Daughter F 1 1890 Pimlico, London 780
Davis Edwin Father In Law Widower M 65 1826 Oddman Domestic , Chard, Somersetshire 785

1901 16, Hampden Road, Hornsey, Middlesex
Bysh William Head Married M 45 1856 Grocer Unemployed , Willesden, Middlesex 799
Bysh Rose E Wife Married F 44 1857 City of London 185
Harding Albert L Boarder Single M 46 1855 Compositor , Frome, Somersetshire

1901 33, Hanby Terrace (Enfield Lock), Enfield, Middlesex
Webb Fredrick Head Married M 76 1825 Retired Engineer R S A F Finsbury, London 180
Webb Mary Wife Married F 76 1825 Norwood, Surrey 181
Webb Mary A Daughter Single F 47 1854 Domestic London, Middlesex 187
Webb William Son Single M 36 1865 Gun Filer R S A F Enfield, Middlesex 183
Webb Caroline Daughter F 37 1864 Enfield, Middlesex 182

1901 35, Government Row, Enfield, Middlesex
Robin Andrew Head Married M 39 1862 Steam Engine Fitter , Waltham Abby, Essex 800
Robin Ellen Wife Married F 42 1859 City, London 186
Robin Ellen E Daughter Single F 16 1885 Highbury, London 801
Robin Andrew Son Single M 14 1887 Labourer Gun Factory , Enfield Lock, Middlesex 802
Robin Elsie Daughter Single F 9 1892 Enfield Lock, Middlesex 803

1901 8, Peabody Buildings B Block, St George Hanover Square, London
Webb Frederick Head Married M 46 1855 Gas & Hot Water Fitter , City, London 184
Webb Jane Wife Married F 48 1853 City, London 777
Webb Annie Daughter F 14 1887 Incandesent Gas Mantle Maker , Pimlico, London 779
Webb Edith Daughter F 11 1890 Pimlico, London 780
Finch Rosie Daughter Married F 21 1880 Lambeth, London 783
Finch Fredk Grand Son M 1 1900 Gt Waldingfield, Suffolk 784

1901 Fernlea, Allandale Road, Enfield, Middlesex
Webb Alfred Head Married M 39 1862 Gun Sight Filer Cripplegate, London 34
Webb Sarah Wife Married F 38 1863 Birmingham, Warwickshire 35
Webb Myra Daughter F 12 1889 Enfield, Middlesex 36
Webb Ethel Daughter F 6 1895 Enfield, Middlesex 37
Webb Frederick Son M 4 1897 Enfield, Middlesex 38
Borell Ernest Boarder Single M 31 1870 Gardener (Not Domestic) Sweden (Swedish Subj)

1911 10 Stafford Street Derby, Derbyshire
Webb Myra Elizabeth Assistant Matron Single F 22 1889 Teacher Assistant, Derby Education Committee Middlesex Enfield Lock 36
Ward Dorothy Hilda Student Single F 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Nottinghamshire Nottingham
Turner Agnes Gertrude Student Single F 20 1891 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Barrow in Furness
Pimblett Elizabeth Student Single F 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Eccles
Jackson Annie Student Single M 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Salford
Kelly Eva Student Single F 20 1891 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Lancashire Salford
Sowter Ethel Maud Student Single F 19 1892 Student In Training For Elementary Teacher Staffordshire Leek
Turner Kate Caroline Caretaker Widow F 38 1873 Working Caretkaer Warwickshire Birmingham

1911 2 Aldrige Villa, Ordnance Road, Enfield Wash, Middlesex
Robin Andrew Head Married M 49 1862 Engine Fitter Waltham Abbey Essex 800
Robin Ellen Susanah Wife Married F 52 1859 City London 186
Robin Ellen Eliza Emily Daughter Single F 26 1885 Shorthand Typist Holloway London 801
Robin Andrew John Son Single M 24 1887 Machine Hand - Gun Factory Enfield Lock Middx 802
Robin Elsie Mary Daughter Single F 19 1892 Home Duties Enfield Lock Middx 803
Howe Elizabeth Boarder Widow F 74 1837 Private Means Blackfrairs London

1911 227 Stephendale Road Fulham, London
Webb Frederick Head Married M 56 1855 Gas And Hotwater Filter City of London 184
Webb Jane Wife Married F 58 1853 City of London 777
Hall Emily Daughter Married F 34 1877 Lambeth London 778
Webb Annie Daughter Single F 24 1887 Gas Mantle Maker Pimlico London 779
Webb Edith Daughter Single F 21 1890 Pimlico London 780
Hall Emily Granddaughter F 2 1909 Fulham London 781
Webb Dorothy Granddaughter F 2 1909 Fulham London 782

1911 78 Standard Road, Middlesex
Bysh William Head Married M 55 1856 Chapel Keeper Willesden Middsex 799
Bysh Rose Emily Wife Married F 54 1857 City of London 185

1911 80 Mandeville Road Enfield Wash N, Middlesex
Webb Fredrick Head Married M 86 1825 Retired Engine Fitter, RSA Factory, Enfield Lock London Finsbury 180
Webb Mary Wife Married F 86 1825 Surry Norwood 181
Webb Caroline Daughter Single F 48 1863 At Home Middlesex Enfield 182
Webb William Son Single M 46 1865 Component Examiner, Gun Factory, Enfield Middlesex Enfield 183

1911 Chilton End Sudbury Suffolk, Suffolk
Finch James Head Married M 31 1880 Groom Chauffeur Gt Waldingfield Suffolk 792
Finch Rose Ellen Wife Married F 31 1880 Lambeth London 783
Finch Frederick James Son M 11 1900 School Gt Waldingfield Suffolk 784
Finch Florence Mary Daughter F 9 1902 School Gt Waldingfield Suffolk 793
Finch John William Son M 7 1904 School Gt Waldingfield Suffolk 794
Finch William Son M 5 1906 School Gt Waldingfield Suffolk 795
Finch Doris Rose Daughter F 3 1908 Chilton Suffolk 796
Bowers William Lodger Married M 42 1869 Agricuturel Labourer Gt Waldingfield Suffolk

1911 Fernlea, Allandale Road, Enfield Wash N, Middlesex
Webb Alfred Robert Head Married M 49 1862 Viewer - Enfield Gun Factory London; Jewin Crescent 34
Webb Sarah Wife Married F 48 1863 Warwick; Birmingham 35
Webb Ethel Carrie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Middlesex; Enfield Lock 37
Webb Frederick Ernest Son M 14 1897 School Middlesex; Enfield Wash 38
Calvert Mary Elizabeth Boarder Single F 39 1872 Middlesex; Enfield Lock 485